|
L-426-42-11
Neptune
|
The
P2V-5 Neptune Enters RAAF Service
|
Serial
|
Depart
Pearce
for Archerfield |
Back
with 11 Sqn
at Richmond by |
A89-305
|
25NOV53
|
10JAN55
|
A89-306
|
01DEC53
|
10JAN55
|
A89-308
|
08DEC53
|
10JAN55
|
A89-307
|
15DEC53
|
10JAN55
|
On
2 December 1954, 3AD were instructed
to upgrade these four aircraft to fly-away status. |
In July 1953, 11 Squadron advised AFHQ that their aircraft
were not fully operationally equipped as they were awaiting
the following from the US:
(a) Magnetic
Anomaly Detector.
(b) APA5 Radar Bomb/Rocket Sight.
(c) APA57B Ground Stabilization Equipment.
(d) APA74 Radar Pulse Analyzer.
(e) APA69 Super HF Direction Finder.
(f) Retro - Pneumatic Ejector.
During August 1953, the mainwheel tyre
shortage became "extremely critical" with
only two tyres having been received from the US by air.
This shortage was finally resolved in September when
the S.S. Cumulus arrived with 45 tyres. This
same month it was reported that "the Squadron lacks
the manpower for major servicing with 4 out of 5 Neptunes
u/s at the end of the month."
On 14 August 1953, the Squadron received official notification
from RAAF HQ that the Neptunes were to be modified as
follows:
(a) The ERCO 11A tail turret is to be replaced with
MAD.
(b) The Aero 9B or 9C nose turret is to be replaced
by a nose observation post.
All surplus equipment is to be offered for resale to
the US.
Earlier, on 3 July 1953, a meeting at Air Force HQ decided
to submit for approval a case for moving 11 Squadron
from Pearce to Richmond. This was eventually approved
and the Squadron relocated to Richmond during May 1954
with all aircraft being flown to their new base between
24-27 May.
The Neptunes then underwent a series of modifications
which are detailed later on this page.
P2V-5/P-2E operations began to wind down in late 1966
with A89-301 being retired to the School of Radio at
Laverton on 19 October 1966 as Neptune Instructional
Airframe No. 1 . On 30 November, A89-306 arrived at
Laverton to swap engines with A89-301 before returning
to Richmond three days later. On 20 April 1967, A89-310
was flown to Wagga where it became Neptune Instructional
Airframe No. 3. One of the last Neptune sorties recorded
was flown on 7 August 1967 when A89-311 flew a photo
sortie to assess the effects of the new Sydney Airport
runway extension on coastal currents and erosion in
Botany Bay. In November 1967, it was reported that "the
Squadron continues to fly the P-2E at a reduced rate
throughout the month with emphasis on pilot continuation
and the renewal of instrument ratings prior to departure
for the P-3B Orion conversion course". This is
the last mention of Neptunes in the 11 Squadron ORB.
The following tables summarise the delivery and disposal
of the RAAF's P2V-5s.
MSN | RAAF | PREV | BU NO | DEL
11SQN (Source) |
---|---|---|---|---|
426-5022 | A89-301 | A89-592 | 133641 |
23NOV51
(1)
|
426-5021 | A89-302 | A89-595 | 133640 |
30NOV51
(1)
|
426-5093 | A89-303 | A89-294 | 133646 |
06OCT52
(1)
|
426-5092 | A89-304 | A89-545 | 133645 |
06OCT52
(1)
|
426-5086 | A89-305 | A89-983 | 133642 |
24DEC52
(3)
|
426-5094 | A89-306 | A89-228 | 133647 |
03DEC52
(1)
|
426-5088 | A89-307 | A89-589 | 133644 |
30JAN53
(3)
|
426-5087 | A89-308 | A89-736 | 133643 |
03DEC52
(1)
|
426-5110 | A89-309 | A89-694 | 133648 |
06FEB53
(3)
|
426-5111 | A89-310 | A89-236 | 133649 |
24DEC52
(3)
|
426-5112 | A89-311 | A89-225 | 133650 |
30JAN53
(3)
|
426-5122 | A89-312 | A89-405 | 133651 |
30JAN53
(3)
|
Notes P2V-5 | |
1
| The first two aircraft (A89-301 & 302) were commenced as P2V-4 but were brought up close to P2V-5 standard on the production line. Nevertheless, there were differences between these two aircraft and the following ten, principally in their electrical systems. |
2
| Initially, RAAF serials were "scrambled" for security reasons. These serials are shown in the second column headed PREV. On 15AUG52, a "simplified numbering system" was introduced. By this time only two aircraft (592 & 595) had been delivered and the 11 Sqn ORB suggests that these aircraft were repainted as 301 & 302 on 22AUG52. |
3
| Mark 1 - Initially all P2V-5 were designated as Mark 1. |
4
| Mark 2 - With the removal of the nose and tail turrets and the addition of a clear nose and a MAD boom, the aircraft were redesignated as Mark 2. |
5
| Mark 3 - With the removal of the dorsal turret they were redesignated as Mark 3. |
6
| Mark 4 - With the addition of Westinghouse J34 jet pods they were redesignated P2V-5F Mark 4. |
7
| The P2V-5 designation was changed to P-2E in line with U.S. Tri-Service Designation Changes which came into effect on 18 September 1962. This policy was also adopted by the RAAF. |
8
| All P2V-5/P-2E served with No 11 Squadron RAAF, initially at Pearce, WA but by 31MAY54 the Squadron had completed its move to Richmond, NSW. All aircraft were flown to Richmond during the period 24-27MAY54. |
9
| Delivery
dates are arrival at 11 Sqn Pearce, WA. The ORB does not show serial numbers for deliveries on 24DEC52 and 30JAN53, just the total number of aircraft delivered on that date. Neither source provides a complete and consistent list of delivery dates. A89-309 went u/s at Richmond on its delivery flight with prop problems. A replacement prop was positioned from Pearce to Richmond on 23 December 1952 by Dakota A65-104. Allowing for the Christmas stand-down, this probably explains why A89-309 did not arrive at Pearce until 06FEB53. A89-309 does not appear in the ORB until 11MAR53. |
RAAF | LAST OPERATION |
NAME
|
BLUE | GREY | REMARKS |
---|---|---|---|---|---|
A89-301 | 15SEP66 |
-
|
- | - |
Note:
4
|
A89-302 | 06DEC66 |
-
|
- | - |
Note:
4
|
A89-303 | c. JUN67 |
-
|
- | - |
Note:
4
|
A89-304 | 11JUL67 |
The
Carpetbagger's
|
? | Y |
Note:
3
|
A89-305 | c. JUN67 |
-
|
- | - |
Note:
4
|
A89-306 | 20JUN67 |
A
Hard Days Night
|
Y | ? |
Note:
3
|
A89-307 | 25SEP67 |
Thunderballs
|
? | Y | |
A89-308 | 04FEB59 |
-
|
- | - |
Crashed.
|
A89-309 | 25SEP67 |
Pussy
Galore
|
? | Y | |
A89-310 | 03MAR67 |
-
|
- | - |
Note:
4
|
A89-311 | 26SEP67 |
La
Dolce Vita
|
Y | ? | |
A89-312 | 31AUG67 |
The
Longest Day
|
Y | N |
NOTES
ON AIRCRAFT NAMES
|
|
1
|
Aircraft names shown in the table above appeared on the aircraft only towards the end of their service (circa 1965). The names are derived from contemporary movie titles with the exception of Pussy Galore which was a character in the James Bond film Goldfinger. |
2
|
Dates of last operation are derived from the 11SQN Operations Record Book. It should be noted that not all operations are recorded in the ORB, particularly when the Neptunes were approaching retirement and the Squadron became preoccupied with the imminent arrival of the Orions. Neptunes may have flown operations later than the dates shown but not later than 18DEC67 when most of the remaining Neptunes were flown to Bankstown for storage and subsequent scrapping. |
3
|
The names on A89-304 and 306 would have incurred the wrath of the Apostrophe Police. The Carpetbagger's should not have had an apostrophe but A Hard Days Night should have had an apostrophe! The names are shown as painted on the aeroplanes. |
4
|
Aircraft that had been withdrawn from service or were planned for retirement did not receive names. A89-303 and A89-305 were due for an E Service for which allotments were requested on 16JUN67. Advice was received on 23JUN67 that pending a decision on which aircraft were to be converted to components, E Service allotments were not available. |
5
|
The BLUE/GREY columns relate to available photographic records that indicate if the name was carried in the original Sea Blue colour scheme and/or the later Light Gull Grey colour scheme. |
|
In February 1954, A89-309 went to ARDU (Aircraft Research and Development Unit) for a trial installation of ADRIS (Automatic Dead Reckoning Instrument System). This system became necessary after the fitment of MAD (Magnetic Anomaly Detector) and was intended to maintain a navigational plot while manoeuvring in pursuit of multiple MAD returns. Initial "excessive unserviceability" was attributed to the age of the equipment. Because of ongoing delays in obtaining the necessary equipment, installation of ADRIS did not begin in earnest until April 1955 when modification of A89-312 was begun at 2AD and 11 Sqn began the fitment to A89-311. Prior to this, A89-309 was the only Neptune equipped and available for training. The system was progressively installed in the remaining aircraft. Another need arising from the introduction of MAD was for a local supply of sea markers. At the end of March 1955, it was reported that the Squadron had enough equipment to fit Pneumatic Retro Marine Marker Ejector to four aircraft. Another system fitted to the P2V-5s and the P2V-7s was SARAH (Search And Rescue And Homing). The system was based on the wartime Rebecca/Eureka which was first produced in Britain in 1943 and subsequently produced in the United States. The SARAH system consisted of a small radio beacon transmitter-receiver which could be attached to lifejackets. On entering the water, pulling a toggle would release a coiled aerial and cause the beacon to transmit a signal on the International Distress Frequency. The aircraft would home in on the signal, and when the aircraft was sighted, the person in the water would use the transmit function to speak to the aircraft, which would drop a Lindholme life raft and/or vector a rescue craft to the position. The SARAH aircraft installation required two receive antennae, one on each side of the nose and a transmit antenna on the belly. The receive antenna was of a Yagi type seemingly identical to the wartime Rebecca antenna. (The name Rebecca was derived from Recognition of Beacons). The P2V-5s were still carrying the system on retirement but the SARAH antennae were removed from the P2V-7s in the early seventies.
Although the P2V-5s were delivered with three gun turrets fitted, the aircraft were often operated without the guns themselves. This was taken a step further on 14 August 1953 when RAAF HQ issued a directive stating that the nose and tail gun turrets were to be removed and replaced by a nose observation post and a Magnetic Anomaly Detector (MAD) installation (stinger) respectively. The first aircraft to be modified was A89-311 which was handed over to 2AD at Richmond on 15 December 1954. In March 1955, 2AD advised that the target delivery dates of the first two MAD aircraft were 22 April 1955 (A89-311) and 13 May 1955 (A89-312). After this conversion, the aircraft were classified as Mark 2. The removed gun turrets were to be offered for resale to the USA. The following table lists the aircraft in order of conversion with dates of issue to 2AD and return to No. 11 Squadron. It should be noted that the "Days at 2AD" defines how long the aircraft was on charge to 2AD. It doesn't necessarily indicate that the aircraft was being worked on for this entire period. Given that 11 Sqn and 2AD were on the same airfield, it is likely that for much of the time the aircraft were merely parked. Given that four P2V-5s were stored at Archerfield in Brisbane from November-December 1953 to January 1955 it is clear that the RAAF had more Neptunes than they could maintain or crew so there was evidently no pressure to convert all twelve aircraft as soon as possible.
The Mark 2 Mod
The Mark 3 Mod
Neither the Aircraft Record Cards nor the 11 SQN ORB specifically mention the Mk 3 conversion (removal of the dorsal gun turret). This work was probably performed in conjunction with other planned maintenance. Attempts at defining when this work was performed have produced inconclusive results. It has been possible to define when six of the aircraft had their next E service which is probably when the dorsal turret was removed. However, this seemingly simple modification could have been performed at any time given that 11SQN and 2AD were co-located at Richmond.
The
Mark 4 Mod
|
SERIAL
|
DEPARTED
|
RETURNED
|
A89-302
|
25JUN59
|
20OCT59
|
A89-310
|
25JUN59
|
06OCT59
|
A89-312
|
25JUN59
|
06OCT59
|
A89-304
|
25JUL59
|
20OCT59
|
A89-306
|
25JUL59
|
14NOV59
|
A89-307
|
25JUL59
|
14NOV59
|
A89-303
|
24AUG59
|
07DEC59
|
A89-305
|
24AUG59
|
07DEC59
|
A89-309
|
24AUG59
|
29DEC59
|
A89-301
|
25SEP59
|
29DEC59
|
A89-311
|
25SEP59
|
31DEC59
|
During
1960 and again in 1961, all eleven remaining P2V-5s
were cycled through the Commonwealth Aircraft Corporation
(CAC) factory at Avalon, Victoria for the incorporation
of Mods 208 and 201.
Mod 208 was the fitment of the WOMBAT navigation aid.
The initial fitment was to A89-306 which was delivered
ex 2AD Richmond to CAC at Avalon on 6 March 1957.
In June and October 1957, staff from the Weapons Research
Establishment visited 11 Sqn at Richmond for discussions
on WOMBAT. On 1 June 1958, A89-310 was flown to Laverton
for WOMBAT fitment prior to commencing a series of
evaluation flights. However, it was not until 19 January
1960 that the program began in earnest with A89-304
being flown to CAC at Avalon. The last aircraft to
be modified (A89-312) returned to 11 Sqn on 9 August
1960.
Mod 201 was the installation of an engine fire extinguishing
system, the need for which was demonstrated by the
loss of A89-308 on 4 February 1959.
The following table lists the relevant aircraft movements
between Richmond and Avalon.
P2V-5
|
START
|
FINISH
|
START
|
FINISH
|
SERIAL
NO. |
MOD208
WOMBAT
|
MOD201
FIRE
EXTINGUISHER
|
||
A89-301
|
18MAR60
|
01APR60
|
05MAY61
|
02JUN61
|
A89-302
|
17JUN60
|
22JUL60
|
31MAR61
|
05MAY61
|
A89-303
|
31MAY60
|
08JUN60
|
31AUG60
|
04NOV60
|
A89-304
|
18JAN60
|
04MAR60
|
31MAR61
|
29JUN61
|
A89-305
|
09MAY60
|
07JUN60
|
21APR61
|
12MAY61
|
A89-306
|
11APR60
|
21APR60
|
07JUL61
|
04AUG61
|
A89-307
|
14APR60
|
17MAY60
|
19MAY61
|
16JUN61
|
A89-308
|
CRASHED
04FEB59
|
|||
A89-309
|
05MAR60
|
11APR60
|
28JUL61
|
18AUG61
|
A89-310
|
13AUG60
|
05SEP60
|
17MAR61
|
14APR61
|
A89-311
|
15FEB60
|
18MAR60
|
16JUN61
|
07JUL61
|
A89-312
|
08JUL60
|
09AUG60
|
29JUN61
|
28JUL61
|
It
is noteworthy that, despite the previous loss of A89-308
to an engine fire, the remaining 11 P2V-5s were flown
to the U.S. and back before fire extinguishing systems
were fitted in Australia. This surprising sequence
of events has been confirmed by someone who was with
the Squadron at the time. Nevertheless, just one week
after the first P2V-5F arrived back in Australia after
the Jet Pod Mod, a meeting was held at 11 Squadron
to discuss the fitment of fire extinguishers and WOMBAT.
In the midst of Neptunes returning from the USA after
the Jet Pod Mod, a meeting was held at 11 Squadron
on 4 November 1959 to discuss Neptune Mod 180, the
"Bow-Observer Nose". On 26 November, A89-310
was flown from Richmond to Laverton and return for
specification finalisation of the Tactical Nose set
up which is presumed to be the same as the previously
mentioned Mod 180.
NEPTUNE
INSTRUCTIONAL AIRFRAMES |
|
INST1
|
A89-301
|
INST2
|
A89-302
|
INST3
|
A89-310
|
INST4
|
A89-303
|
INST5
|
A89-275
|
SERIAL
|
LAST
FLIGHT
|
DISPOSAL
|
A89-301
|
19OCT66
|
Flown
to Laverton as Instructional Airframe No. 1. Burned sometime after SEP75. |
A89-302
|
20MAR67
|
Flown
to Wagga as Instructional Airframe No. 2. Held by the RAAF Museum, Point Cook. |
A89-303
|
c.
JUN67
|
Instructional
Airframe No. 4. Scrapped at Richmond by 26JUL76. |
A89-304
|
18DEC67
|
Flown
to Bankstown. Broken up NOV68. |
A89-305
|
15DEC67
|
Flown
to Bankstown. Broken up NOV68. |
A89-306
|
15DEC67
|
Flown
to Bankstown. Broken up NOV68. |
A89-307
|
18DEC67
|
Flown
to Bankstown. Broken up NOV68. |
A89-308
|
04FEB59
|
Crashed
returning to Richmond with an engine on fire. |
A89-309
|
15DEC67
|
Flown
to Bankstown. Broken up sometime after JUN69. |
A89-310
|
20APR67
|
Flown
to Wagga as Instructional Airframe No. 3. Burned sometime between 1970-77. |
A89-311
|
18DEC67
|
Flown
to Bankstown. Broken up sometime after OCT69. |
A89-312
|
18DEC67
|
Flown
to Bankstown. Broken up NOV68. |
L-726-45-17
Neptune
|
|
MSN | RAAF | BU NO | DEL RAAF |
---|---|---|---|
726-7270 | A89-270 | 149070 | 29MAR62 |
726-7271 | A89-271 | 149071 | 10MAR62 |
726-7272 | A89-272 | 149072 | 10MAR62 |
726-7273 | A89-273 | 149073 | 10MAR62 |
726-7274 | A89-274 | 149074 | 29MAR62 |
726-7275 | A89-275 | 149075 | 29MAR62 |
726-7276 | A89-276 | 149076 | 19APR62 |
726-7277 | A89-277 | 149077 | 28APR62 |
726-7278 | A89-278 | 149078 | 19APR62 |
726-7279 | A89-279 | 149079 | 24MAY62 |
726-7280 | A89-280 | 149080 | 25MAY62 |
726-7281 | A89-281 | 149081 | 24MAY62 |
Notes P2V-7 | |
1
| All P2V-7 were classified by the RAAF as Mark 4 from the time of delivery. |
2
| All P2V-7 were redesignated SP-2H under the U.S. Tri-Service Designation Changes which came into effect on 18 September 1962. This policy was also adopted by the RAAF. |
SERIAL
|
LAST
FLIGHT |
LAST
MENTION |
RETIREMENT
|
A89-270
|
10DEC76
|
Ferried
to Laverton for conversion to parts.
|
|
A89-271
|
07DEC76
|
Ferried
to Laverton for conversion to parts.
|
|
A89-272
|
unknown
|
23OCT75
|
Flew
in an exercise at Darwin. Return date not recorded.
Sold at TSV.
|
A89-273
|
unknown
|
21NOV76
|
Returned
to TSV from Cocos Island. Sold to civil.
|
A89-274
|
06DEC76
|
Ferried
to Laverton for conversion to parts.
|
|
A89-275
|
14OCT77
|
Ferried
to Point Cook for the RAAF Museum.
|
|
A89-276
|
unknown
|
18JUL75
|
Returned
to TSV from an exercise at Richmond. Sold at TSV.
|
A89-277
|
unknown
|
05JUL75
|
Returned
to TSV after engine change at Richmond. Sold at TSV.
|
A89-278
|
unknown
|
19DEC76
|
Returned
to TSV after engine change at Darwin. Disposed at Laverton.
|
A89-279
|
unknown
|
21NOV76
|
Returned
to TSV from Cocos Island. Disposed at Laverton.
|
A89-280
|
unknown
|
27OCT76
|
Returned
to TSV after engine change at Rockhampton. Display at
TSV.
|
A89-281
|
06DEC77
|
Ferried
to Amberley for disposal.
|
NOTES
|
|
1
|
Dates shown in the "Last Flight" column are known last flight dates. Dates shown in the "Last Mention" column represent the final reference to the aircraft in the 10 Sqn ORB. They are probably also the last flights but this is not confirmed. |
2
|
TSV = Townsville. (ORB often uses TVL) |
P2V-7 ModsThe following
table lists modifications to the
THE P2V-7 FIRE EXTINGUISHER MOD 242
|
SOURCES
|
|
1
|
NAA A9186, 31. RAAF Unit History sheets (Form A50) [Operations Record Book - Forms A50 and A51] Number 11 Squadron Nov 50 - Jun 67. |
2
|
NAA: A9186, 28. RAAF Unit History sheets (Form A50) [Operations Record Book - Forms A50 and A51] Number 10 Squadron Jan 62 - Dec 76. |
3
|
Aircraft Record Cards (aka Status Cards) Form E/E.88 |
4
|
NAA: A9186, 28. RAAF Unit History sheets (Form A50) [Operations Record Book - Forms A50 and A51] Number 2 Aircraft Depot 1936 - 1961. |
Issue | Date | Remarks |
---|---|---|
22 | 03NOV21 |
The
P2V-5 section has undergone a major revision. The
various mod states are now presented in a clearer
fashion.
|
21 | 10JUN19 |
Moved
P2V-5 aircraft names to a separate table.
|
20 | 20JUL17 |
Added
further information on the SARAH
system and its relationship to the wartime Rebecca
system.
|
19 | 28NOV15 |
Amended
the description of the SARAH system. Thanks to Nick
Sayer.
|
18 | 23NOV15 |
Added
a new section on the entry into service of the P2V-7.
|
17 | 20NOV15 |
Added
a new section on the entry into service of the P2V-5.
|
16 | 19NOV15 |
Added
a reference to wing bomb racks.
|
15 | 18NOV15 |
Added
a reference to P2V-7s being weighed in JAN69.
|
14 | 14NOV15 |
The
section on P2V-7 Modifications has been completely
rewritten.
|
13 | 12NOV15 |
The
section on P2V-5 Modifications has been completely
rewritten.
|
12 | 06NOV15 |
The
P2V-5 table has been revised to standardise delivery
dates.
|
11 | 05NOV15 |
Notes
on Neptune colours have been transferred to a standalone
page.
The Jet Pod Mod table has been updated. |
10 | 02NOV15 |
Added
the RAAF spec for the shade of light grey.
|
9 | 15OCT15 |
Restructured
the section on P2V-7 Mods and created a separate
table for the Fire Extinguisher Mod.
|
8 | 06OCT15 |
Added
a section on Neptune colour schemes. See Issue 11.
|
7 | 05OCT15 |
Corrected
the P2V-7 details above to show that these aircraft
were delivered in a dark grey and white colour scheme
and not Sea Blue as stated in most references.
|
6 | 01AUG05 |
Added
an explanation of the acronym SARAH
thanks to Clive Lynch.
|
5 | 10DEC02 |
All
Australian Neptunes now have individual pages. Consequently,
the content of some of the above tables has been
reduced although several new tables have been added.
The RAAF serials in the above tables are linked
to the relevant page for each aircraft.
|