L-185B ORION P-3B-75-LO

 

 

RAAF MSN BU NO DEL USN DEL RAAF
NIL 5204 152760 08NOV66 22JUN95

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L-185B ORION P-3B-95-LO*


RAAF MSN BU NO DEL RAAF LATER
A9-291 5401 155291 10JAN68 NZ4206
10JAN68
Ferried from Lockheed, Burbank to the 11SQN detachment at Moffett Field by a USN crew. The first four aircraft were used for training the RAAF detachment at Moffett Field. (Source: 1)
12JUL68
Arrived at RAAF Edinburgh, SA in company with A9-292. "All nine P-3B are now at home base." (Source: 1)
(This was previously shown as 11MAY68 but the ORB confirms 12JUL68)
30APR85
Traded in to Lockheed
30APR85
Sold to RNZAF as NZ4206
01MAY85
Departed RAAF Edinburgh for Whenuapai, NZ
03MAY85
Arrived Whenuapai, NZ
-
Current to No 5 Sqn RNZAF as type P-3K
-
Commencing in 2006, the RNZAF Orions will be upgraded, after which they will be known as P-3K2. The first modified aircraft (NZ4204) was delivered on 23APR11.
A9-292 5402 155292 23JAN68 N4003G
N4003X
4801
14801
23JAN68
Arrived Moffet Field ex Lockheed, Burbank. The first four aircraft were used for training the RAAF detachment at Moffett Field. (Source: 1)
12JUL68
Arrived at RAAF Edinburgh, SA in company with A9-291. "All nine P-3B are now at home base." (Source: 1)
(This was previously shown as 11MAY68 but the ORB confirms 12JUL68)
01AUG85
Traded in to Lockheed as N4003G
24JAN86
Departed RAAF Edinburgh for Burbank via Tahiti, for conversion to prototype P-3P. Flight Plan filed as N4003G.
Crew:
J V De Thomas (Pilot)
Lyle Schaefer (Pilot)
Jack Schroeder (NavCom)
Shelly Bloedorn (Flight Engineer)
Tommy Thompson (Radar)
(Source: Jack Schroeder)
26JAN86
Arrived at Burbank. (Source: Jack Schroeder)
-
Registered to Lockheed, Burbank as N4003X
06AUG88
Departed Palmdale, CA on delivery to the Portuguese Air Force as P-3P serial 4801. (Source: Marco Borst)
07AUG88
Arrived at Montijo AB after a 13 hour flight. (Source: Marco Borst)
-
Re-serialled 14801
-
Allocated to ESQ601 at Montijo
-
Stored at OGMA at Alverca AB as of JUN05
09MAR11
Photographed at Alverca AB engineless and seemingly parted out. (Source: ADF-Serials)
A9-293 5403 155293 12FEB68 N4008B
N4006S
4802
14802
12FEB68
Arrived Moffet Field ex Lockheed, Burbank. Ferried by a VP-31 crew.The first four aircraft were used for training the RAAF detachment at Moffett Field. (Source: 1)
11JUL68
Arrived at RAAF Edinburgh, SA in company with A9-300. (Source: 1)
(This was previously shown at 11MAY68 but the ORB confirms July)
01AUG85
Traded in to Lockheed as N4008B
13NOV85
Departed RAAF Edinburgh
19NOV85
Arrived Beja, Portugal
OCT86
Registered to Lockheed, Burbank as N4006S
12OCT87
Delivered to Montijo AB thence to OGMA at Alverca AB for P-3P conversion
-
Delivered to Portuguese Air Force as P-3P 4802
-
Re-serialled 14802
-
Allocated to ESQ601 at Montijo
-
Stored at Montijo as of JUN05
-
Noted on the dump at Montijo as of DEC17
A9-294 5404 155294 26FEB68 N4008R
N4005X
4803
14803
26FEB68
Arrived Moffet Field ex Lockheed, Burbank. The first four aircraft were used for training the RAAF detachment at Moffett Field. (Source: 1)
09MAY68
The first three RAAF Orions (A9-294, 295 & 297) departed Moffett Field for Australia. (Source: 1)
13MAY68
The first three RAAF Orions (A9-294, 295 & 297) arrived at RAAF Edinburgh, SA. (Source: 1)
07DEC83
Traded in to Lockheed as N4008R
13NOV85
Departed RAAF Edinburgh
19NOV85
Arrived Beja, Portugal
OCT86
Registered to Lockheed, Burbank as N4005X
20OCT86
Delivered to Montijo AB for use as a trainer (see also A9-298)
-
Subsequently to OGMA at Alverca AB for P-3P conversion
-
Delivered to Portuguese Air Force as P-3P 4803
-
Re-serialled 14803
-
Current to ESQ601 at Montijo
17
Stored at Beja Air Base as of DEC17
A9-295 5405 155295 21MAR68 N4007A
N4003G
4804
14804
21MAR68
Arrived Moffet Field ex Lockheed, Burbank in company with A9-296. (Source: 1)
09MAY68
The first three RAAF Orions (A9-294, 295 & 297) departed Moffett Field for Australia. (Source: 1)
13MAY68
The first three RAAF Orions (A9-294, 295 & 297) arrived at RAAF Edinburgh, SA. (Source: 1)
30APR85
Traded in to Lockheed as N4007A
06DEC85
Test flown at Edinburgh by Lockheed test pilots Vic Ehlers and Stan Olsen (Source: Vic Ehlers)
10DEC85
Departed RAAF Edinburgh commanded by Lockheed test pilot Vic Ehlers
16DEC85
Arrived Beja, Portugal and stored
OCT86
Registered to Lockheed, Burbank as N4003G
-
Positioned directly to OGMA at Alverca AB for conversion to P-3P after storage at Beja for one year or more
-
Delivered to Portuguese Air Force as P-3P serial 4804
-
Re-serialled 14804
-
Current to ESQ601 at Montijo
17
Stored at DFTMA Ota as of DEC17
A9-296 5406 155296 21MAR68 Nil
21MAR68
Arrived Moffet Field ex Lockheed, Burbank in company with A9-295. (Source: 1)
11APR68
"A new P-3B Orion (A9-296) awaiting delivery to the RAAF following acceptance from the Lockheed Aircraft Corporation factory at Burbank, California, was destroyed by fire after the undercarriage failed on landing at Moffett Naval Air Station on this day. The aircraft was doing circuits at NAS Moffett Field California and on its final touch down, the port strut broke off approximately 12 inches above the main gear. The port wing hit the runway. No 1 gearbox and propeller broke away and landed some 200 yards in front of and to the starboard. No 2 propeller folded under the inner wing rupturing the inboard fuel tank which resulted in a fire. The aircraft ground looped before coming to a stop. Through the inferno, the entire crew of 12 escaped via the starboard overwing hatch." Note: this account states that the date was 12 April but most accounts state 11 April and this is believed to be correct. (Source: Office of Air Force History)

The cause was subsequently traced to a faulty main gear forging. (This aircraft was replaced by msn 5286 which became A9-605)

All RAAF Orions were grounded from 11APR68 until 23APR68. RAAF training continued in VP-31 aircraft. (Source: 1)
A9-297 5407 155297 04APR68 N4003G
N4008B
4805
14805
04APR86
The ORB does not record when A9-297 was delivered from Burbank to Moffett Field but the dates recorded in the "DEL RAAF" column are, with few exceptions, consistent with the date of the ferry flight from Burbank to Moffett Field so 04APR68 is probably correct. (Source: 1)
23APR68
A9-297 was the first RAAF Orion to fly after the crash of A9-296. (Source: 1)
09MAY68
The first three RAAF Orions (A9-294, 295 & 297) departed Moffett Field for Australia. (Source: 1)
13MAY68
The first three RAAF Orions (A9-294, 295 & 297) arrived at RAAF Edinburgh, SA. (Source: 1)
07DEC83
Traded in to Lockheed as N4003G
14OCT85
Departed RAAF Edinburgh (Source: Vic Ehlers)
21OCT85
Arrived Beja, Portugal (Source: Vic Ehlers)
OCT86
Registered to Lockheed, Burbank as N4008B
12OCT87
Delivered to Montijo AB thence to OGMA at Alverca AB for P-3P conversion
-
Delivered to Portuguese Air Force at Montijo AB as P-3P serial 4805
-
Re-serialled 14805
-
Current to ESQ601 at Montijo
-
Broken up at Beja Air Base by DEC17


L-185B ORION P-3B-100-LO*


RAAF MSN BU NO DEL RAAF LATER
A9-298 5408 155298 06MAY68 N40035
N64854
4806
14806
06MAY68
Arrived Moffet Field ex Lockheed, Burbank. Ferried by a USN crew. (Source: 1)
11JUN68
A9-298 and A9-299 departed Moffett Field for Australia. (Source: 1)
14JUN68
A9-298 and A9-299 arrived at Edinburgh. (Source: 2)
21FEB85
Traded in to Lockheed as N40035
14OCT85
Departed RAAF Edinburgh (Source: Vic Ehlers)
21OCT85
Arrived Beja, Portugal (Source: Vic Ehlers)
OCT86
Registered to Lockheed, Burbank as N64854
22OCT86
Delivered to Montijo AB for use as a trainer (see also A9-294)
-
Subsequently to OGMA at Alverca AB for P-3P conversion
-
Delivered to Portuguese Air Force at Montijo AB as P-3P serial 4806
-
Re-serialled 14806
-
In storage
25MAY05
Flown to the Portuguese Air Force Museum, Sintra AB for preservation. Flight commanded by Major Ropio (XO of 601 Sqn)
A9-299 5409 155299 17MAY68 N91LC
N145CS
17MAY68
Arrived Moffet Field ex Lockheed, Burbank. Ferried by a VP-31 crew. (Source: 1)
11JUN68
A9-299 and A9-298 departed Moffett Field for Australia. (Source: 1)
14JUN68
A9-299 and A9-298 arrived at Edinburgh. (Source: 2)
12DEC82
Traded in to Lockheed as N91LC
22JUL83
Departed RAAF Edinburgh for Burbank, CA
23JUL83
Photographed at Brisbane International as N91LC
27JUL83
Arrived at Burbank (Pilot Vic Ehlers of Lockheed)
-
Modified as prototype AEW&C
-
To U.S. Customs Service as N145CS
-
Named Blue Eagle
18
Current to United States Customs and Border Protection.
A9-300 5410 155300 29MAY68 Nil
29MAY68
Arrived Moffet Field ex Lockheed, Burbank. Ferried by SQN LDR Holland, RAAF. (Source: 1)
11JUL68
Arrived at RAAF Edinburgh, SA in company with A9-293. (Source: 1)
(This was previously shown at 12JUL68 but the ORB confirms 11 July)
27JAN84
Damaged by fire at Edinburgh, SA
The wings from A9-300 were subsequently used in the rebuild of US Navy P-3C 157330 (MSN 5545) which was damaged in an accident at NAS Cecil, Florida on 02JUN88. The rebuild was completed in NOV90.
(Source: http://p-3publications.com/PDF/AirborneLog-Spring94.pdf)
The following account of the rebuild of 157330 was contributed to the quoted source on 14SEP05 by Jim Hughes:

"VP-50's 157330 is the bird we dubbed Phoenix at the depot. I was the depot P-3 Planner and Estimator at NADEP NAS Jacksonville, Florida at the time who convinced everyone that the airplane could be fixed instead of striking it. I knew about an RAAF P-3 that had a flight station fire that had been parked in Edinburgh, Australia. I took a team there and after looking at the wings we worked out a horse trade to get the wings off and back to the depot in Jacksonville via C-5. In the meantime I had a team of artisans take apart the aircraft at NAS Cecil Field, Jacksonville, Florida. Wings and empennage were removed. The fuselage was placed on a truck and a special escort down 103rd street to NAS Jacksonville was made. The original cost and schedule estimates were beaten to put the aircraft back into service."
(Source: http://www.vpnavy.com/vp50_aircraft.html)
The earlier reference to the wings being used on MSN 5501 is incorrect.
85
Remaining usable parts sold to Lockheed as spares for Portuguese aircraft.
SEP87
Fuselage to DSTO Salisbury, SA for use as avionics Research and Development mockup known as ORACL (Orion Avionic Concept Laboratory). (Source: http://p-3publications.com/PDF/AirborneLog-Spring94.pdf)
-
The fin is stored at RAAF Edinburgh having been used for Battle Damage Repair Training.
04JUN08
The fuselage was broken up for scrap at Edinburgh.



L-185B ORION P-3B-105-LO


RAAF MSN BU NO DEL USN DEL RAAF LATER
A9-605 5286 154605 31DEC68 07SEP69 N40035
N96LW
N146CS
07SEP69
Arrived at RAAF Edinburgh, SA on delivery from the USA. (Source: 1)
This aircraft was a replacement for A9-296 which was destroyed during acceptance trials. This aircraft was built for the USN and therefore is correctly a Block 105 aircraft.
12DEC82
Traded in to Lockheed as N40035
06DEC85
Test flown at Edinburgh by Lockheed test pilots Vic Ehlers and Stan Olsen (Source: Vic Ehlers)
10DEC85
Departed RAAF Edinburgh for Burbank under the command of Lockheed test pilot Stan Olsen (Source: Vic Ehlers)
-
Converted to AEW&C
-
Re-registered N96LW
-
To U.S. Customs Service as N146CS
-
Named Blue Eagle II
18
Current to United States Customs and Border Protection.


* A Note on P-3B Block Numbers

Block Numbers were generally issued only to aircraft built specifically for the U.S. Navy. However, RAAF document AAP 7215.001-2-1 dated 1983 states that A9-291 to A9-297 inclusive were Block 95 aircraft and A9-298 to A9-300 inclusive were Block 100 aircraft. This document also confirms all of the MSNs and Bu Nos listed in the above tables. It is understood that these Block numbers attach to the RAAF Orions as they were on the production line at the same time as Block 95 & 100 aircraft were being assembled for the USN. Lockheed and the USN discontinued the use of Block Numbers on P-3Cs after 200 because they were not sufficiently specific to represent configuration accurately enough for maintenance, so the USN went to more precise configuration listings of specific aircraft and mods. Nevertheless, Block Numbers higher than 200 were used by several customers, including the RAAF P-3Cs, and indeed there is photographic proof of their use on USN aircraft. It is believed that these Block Numbers were contrived locally for continuity purposes.

 

NOTES P-3B

1
Australian ATC records show four of the Portuguese aircraft (A9-293, 294, 297 & 298) departed Edinburgh for Cocos Island, Seychelles, Cairo and Beja. However, there is an anomaly in that the ATC records also show A9-295 going to Burbank and A9-605 going to Portugal but it was actually vice versa. A9-295 was delivered to Portugal and A9-605 went to Burbank for conversion to AEW&C configuration. Australian ATC records show N4007Z for A9-295 and not N4007A but this is almost certainly a typographical error as N4007Z was allocated to a PA-18. A9-292 went to Burbank for conversion by Lockheed to the prototype P-3P. All other P-3Bs sold to Portugal were delivered directly to Portugal for conversion to P-3P by OGMA at Alverca AB. A9-294 and A9-298 were used as trainers prior to conversion. Earlier reports that A9-295 was sighted at Burbank in October 1987 as N4007A are now believed to relate to another aircraft as N4007A was one of several Lockheed "trade plate" registrations used on multiple aircraft. Furthermore, the Lockheed pilot, Vic Ehlers, who ferried A9-295 out of Edinburgh, confirms that he flew the aeroplane to Beja, Portugal.

 

RAAF P-3B DISPOSALS

C/N
BuNo
RAAF
FAA#1
DEP (E)
TO
ARR
ARR (M)
FAA#2
PoAF#1
PoAF#2
REMARKS
5401
155291
A9-291
-
01MAY85
NZWP
03MAY85
-
-
-
-
To NZ4206
5402
155292
A9-292
N4003G(#2)
24JAN86
KBUR
26JAN86
07AUG88
N4003X
4801
14801
Note 1
5403
155293
A9-293
N4008B
13NOV85
LPBJ
19NOV85
12OCT87
N4006S
4802
14802
-
5404
155294
A9-294
N4008R
13NOV85
LPBJ
19NOV85
20OCT86
N4005X
4803
14803
Note 2
5405
155295
A9-295
N4007A
10DEC85
LPBJ
16DEC85
-
N4003G(#3)
4804
14804
Note 3
5407
155297
A9-297
N4003G(#1)
14OCT85
LPBJ
21OCT85
12OCT87
N4008B
4805
14805
-
5408
155298
A9-298
N40035(#1)
14OCT85
LPBJ
21OCT85
22OCT86
N64854
4806
14806
Note 2
5409
155299
A9-299
N91LC
22JUL83
KBUR
27JUL83
-
-
-
-
AEW&C
5286
154605
A9-605
N40035(#2)
10DEC85
KBUR
?
-
N96LW
-
-
AEW&C

 

The above table was compiled with the assistance of
Marco Borst of the Orion Research Group,
former Lockheed pilot Vic Ehlers
and Lockheed NavCom Jack Schroeder
.

 

SOURCES
1
National Archives of Australia, RAAF Unit History sheets (Form A50) [Operations Record Book - Forms A50 and A51] Number 11 Squadron Jul 67 - Jan 88, Series number A9186
2
Aircraft Magazine, July 1968, page 40.

 

NOTES
Dates shown in red are derived from the log book of Vic Ehlers
who ferried A9-295, A9-297 and A9-299 out of Australia.
FAA#1 Registration allocated for ferry flight. Jack Schroeder, NavCom on the ferry flight of A9-292, confirms that the flight plan for this flight was filed under the FAA registration shown. Note that these Lockheed "trade plate" registrations were used on multiple aircraft.
FAA#2 Registration allocated for crew training and/or test flying in Portugal.
DEP (E) Departure from RAAF Edinburgh, South Australia
KBUR Burbank, California, USA
LPBJ Beja, Portugal
NZWP Whenuapai, New Zealand
ARR (M) Arrival at Montijo Air Base, Portugal
PoAF#1 Initial Portuguese Air Force serial
PoAF#2 Revised Portuguese Air Force serial
Note 1 P-3P prototype. Delivered to PoAF ex Lockheed 07AUG88. Other P-3P conversions were performed by OGMA at Alverca AB from 1987 to 1989. Aircraft were initially stored at Beja and later ferried to OGMA at Alverca AB via Montijo AB as required for P-3P conversion. A9-295 was delivered directly from Beja to OGMA at Alverca AB.
Note 2 A9-294 & A9-298 were delivered to Montijo AB in OCT86 for training aircrew prior to P-3P conversion.
Note 3 Stored at Beja for a year or more then delivered directly to OGMA at Alverca AB for P-3P conversion.



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Issue Date Remarks
14 16AUG18
Added dates of arrival at Edinburgh for A9-298 and A9-299. Thanks to Mel Davis and Nigel Daw (Source: 2). These dates were not recorded in the ORB (Source: 1)
13 16MAR18
P-3B delivery dates to the RAAF have been updated from the 11SQN ORB (Source: 1)
Added three images of the delivery of the first three Orions taken by the late Paul Daw at age sixteen. Thanks to his brother Nigel.
A9-294
A9-295

A9-297
12 05MAR18
Updated the status of the Portuguese Air Force aircraft thanks to the P-3 Orion Research Group.
11 26FEB18
Bu No 152760 has been moved to the TAP-3B page as it was acquired as a spares source to support the TAP-3B trainer/transports.
10 13AUG16
Updated and corrected the reference to the wings from A9-300 being used in the rebuild of a USN Orion. Thanks to Ray Seppala.
9 09SEP15
Added an image of 14804.
Added an image of 14806 thanks to Richard Vandervord.
8 07SEP15
Tables completely reformatted. Nil change to data.
7 18JUN08
Added two recent (OCT07) images of 152760 thanks to Richard Siudak.
6 06JUN08
Added a report from the ADF Serials website that BuNo 152760 and A9-300 have been broken up for scrap.
5 12MAR06
Added a reference to the later use of the wings from the fire damaged A9-300. Thanks to Dana Epping.
4 07JAN06
Attempted to further clarify the complicated matter of Block Numbers.
3 26NOV05
Commencing in 2006, the RNZAF Orions will be upgraded, after which they will be known as P-3K2. See A9-291.
2 10NOV05
Previously, A9-291 to A9-300 inclusive were shown as Block 95 aircraft. RAAF document AAP 7215.001-2-1 dated 1983 states that the last three aircraft, A9-298 to A9-300 inclusive, were Block 100 aircraft. Thanks to Marco Borst of the Orion Research Group for supplying this document.
1 11OCT05
Previously, all Orions were presented on the one page. Effective from this date, there are separate pages for each type, P-3B, TAP-3B and P-3C. If required, the previous summary of updates can be viewed here.



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